{"id":1580,"date":"2008-10-22T08:01:00","date_gmt":"2008-10-22T08:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/?p=1580"},"modified":"2008-10-22T08:01:00","modified_gmt":"2008-10-22T08:01:00","slug":"reasonable-atheism-30-some-brief-comments-on-the-problem-of-suffering","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/?p=1580","title":{"rendered":"Reasonable Atheism (30): some brief comments on the problem of suffering"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It seems to me that there are two ways to understand the problem of suffering: the abstract question and the existential question.<\/p>\n<p>The abstract question says that God has certain attributes &#8211; fully good, fully powerful, fully knowing &#8211; and that these three attributes are inconsistent with the presence of suffering in the world. (Stephen Law has <a href=\"http:\/\/stephenlaw.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/augustine-on-evil.html\">a variation of this argument<\/a> which states that these attributes are inconsistent with the <span>degree <\/span>of suffering in the world. I don&#8217;t find that this variation adds much to the argument; <a href=\"http:\/\/instruct.westvalley.edu\/lafave\/dostoevsky.html\">I&#8217;m with Alyosha Karamazov<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>My answer to the abstract question is to say that defining God&#8217;s attributes is a mistake. That is, we&#8217;re never in a position to give an overview of God&#8217;s attributes; in particular, attributing &#8216;goodness&#8217; to God seems to presume too much, and I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re in a position to judge whether God is good or not. To my mind God is &#8216;beyond good and evil&#8217;. In that assessment I view myself as being four-square in the mainstream mystical tradition of the church.<\/p>\n<p>Yet, <a href=\"http:\/\/elizaphanian.blogspot.com\/2008\/06\/discussions-with-stephen-law.html\">as I&#8217;ve tried to articulate before<\/a>, these discussions, whilst of some interest in themselves, don&#8217;t actually address the core of the issue, which I see as existential. They are abstract and philosophical, and end up provoking more or less &#8216;so what?&#8217; responses, rather like the decision about choosing one way of organising a library rather than another. The existential question is much more important, which is simply: how should one live in the face of suffering? In particular, in an environment where random events may render any person&#8217;s life-projects impossible, how are we to retain any sense in the meaningfulness of life?<\/p>\n<p>Martha Nussbaum does an excellent job of describing the Ancient Greek response to this issue in her marvellous <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Fragility-Goodness-Ethics-Tragedy-Philosophy\/dp\/0521794722\">&#8216;The Fragility of Goodness&#8217;<\/a> &#8211; so answers to these questions by no means need to be Christian. Yet, obviously, the Christian faith also has an answer &#8211; indeed, I view the story of crucifixion and resurrection as the answer to Greek tragedy. The only perspective, in fact, that doesn&#8217;t seem to have an answer to the existential question is that of the humourless atheist &#8211; but then, they seem content to play in the abstract shallows, avoiding the muck and bloodiness of full-bodied life.<\/p>\n<p>Stephen <a href=\"http:\/\/stephenlaw.blogspot.com\/2008\/10\/book-club-god-delusion-chpt-7.html?showComment=1224489900000#c2077003885428439581\">continues to believe<\/a> that my answer to the problem of evil &#8216;does not exist&#8217;. I continue to believe that he doesn&#8217;t understand what I&#8217;m saying. He could persuade me differently by, eg, discussing Nussbaum&#8217;s work and his views on it.<br \/><span><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It seems to me that there are two ways to understand the problem of suffering: the abstract question and the existential question. 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