{"id":2283,"date":"2007-11-25T07:23:00","date_gmt":"2007-11-25T07:23:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/?p=2283"},"modified":"2007-11-25T07:23:00","modified_gmt":"2007-11-25T07:23:00","slug":"did-jesus-know-he-would-be-resurrected","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/?p=2283","title":{"rendered":"Did Jesus know he would be resurrected?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s a discussion going on over at <a href=\"http:\/\/stephenlaw.blogspot.com\/2007\/11\/jesus-sacrifice-ii.html\">Stephen Law&#8217;s<\/a> about the uniqueness of Christ&#8217;s sacrifice &#8211; Stephen is arguing, I think plausibly, that other people&#8217;s sacrifices can be at least comparable to that which Jesus makes. In the comments, however, I&#8217;ve raised a different issue, which probably deserves its own home. I&#8217;m sceptical of the idea that Jesus <u>knew<\/u> &#8211; in a strong sense of that word &#8211; that he would be resurrected. Reasons under the fold.<br \/><span><br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/elizaphanian.blogspot.com\/2007\/11\/on-sola-scriptura.html\">Like a good conservative evangelical<\/a> Stephen quotes several proof texts to show that Jesus did in fact know he would be resurrected, including: Mark 14.25, Luke 23:42, Matt 20:19 &#8211; and there are a number of others, some even more explicit.<\/p>\n<p>If the discussion is simply about what &#8216;the plain sense of Scripture&#8217; testifies to, then that&#8217;s the end of the discussion, and the fundamentalist and the atheist can continue to make common cause in how to read the Bible. However, I have three grounds for thinking this insufficient:<\/p>\n<p>a) the impact of modern critical scholarship, especially source and redaction criticism. Are these words accurately transcribed or is there some influence (any influence!) from the post-Easter church? In other words, I have no doubt that Jesus predicted his conflict with the authorities in Jerusalem, and his death, but can we, on historical grounds alone, be certain he predicted the resurrection? <br \/>b) The emphasis on the word &#8216;know&#8217;. Even if he did predict his resurrection &#8211; or something like it &#8211; did he know it in an absolutely certain manner, or is he speaking from faith? In other words, even if we take the words as historically accurate &#8211; or that there is a core of something historically accurate here &#8211; how are we to read them? What&#8217;s the tone of voice?<br \/>c) It seems to me that if Jesus did have complete and utter confidence in his resurrection (ie the strong sense of the word &#8216;know&#8217;) it undermines some crucial elements of the story. There is no dramatic tension; the story becomes a puppet show; there is no longer anything of real human interest at stake. This is not a problem for some readings (<a href=\"http:\/\/elizaphanian.blogspot.com\/2007\/11\/shibboleth-2-penal-substitution.html\">PSA!!<\/a>) of the story, because there all that matters is that Jesus gets slaughtered. But it&#8217;s a problem for me.<\/p>\n<p>As I understand him, Jesus was following the will of the Father, moment to moment. I think he could foresee (in a non-miraculous sense) that he would be killed, and I think he probably hoped &#8211; and trusted &#8211; that he would be vindicated in some way. But I can&#8217;t see any way to reconcile a strong sense of knowing he would be resurrected with a) Gethsemane, and b) the cry of dereliction from the cross. Both of those make complete human sense to me &#8211; and, paradoxically, that&#8217;s why they are most revealing of the true nature of divinity &#8211; but all of this is lost if Jesus had certain knowledge of the resurrection.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d be interested to know what other people think.<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s a discussion going on over at Stephen Law&#8217;s about the uniqueness of Christ&#8217;s sacrifice &#8211; Stephen is arguing, I think plausibly, that other people&#8217;s sacrifices can be at least comparable to that which Jesus makes. In the comments, however, &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/?p=2283\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[46,17],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2283","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-stephen-law","category-theology"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3npsc-AP","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2283","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2283"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2283\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2283"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2283"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2283"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}