{"id":3691,"date":"2006-05-10T10:52:00","date_gmt":"2006-05-10T10:52:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/?p=3691"},"modified":"2006-05-10T10:52:00","modified_gmt":"2006-05-10T10:52:00","slug":"the-wrath-of-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/elizaphanian.com\/?p=3691","title":{"rendered":"The wrath of God"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In a couple of weeks, we are going to be singing the Stuart Townend song &#8216;In Christ Alone&#8217; at both 9:30 and 11am services. I was first introduced to it at a home group meeting, and I found it 99% wonderful. The 1% that I didn&#8217;t like was the line &#8216;on the cross as Jesus died, the wrath of God was satisfied&#8217;. I have been wondering whether to talk about it in the sermon, and explain why I don&#8217;t like it. I&#8217;ve even wondered about changing the line.<\/p>\n<p>Turns out that <a href=\"http:\/\/freespace.virgin.net\/j.p.richardson\/wrath.html\">I&#8217;m not the only one<\/a> (see also the comments at <a href=\"http:\/\/titusonenine.classicalanglican.net\/?p=12844\">T1:9<\/a> where I came across the story). As I mentioned before, I left the meeting with ++Rowan before the final act of worship, so I didn&#8217;t pick up the amendment that Chris had made.<\/p>\n<p>What&#8217;s wrong with talking about God&#8217;s wrath? It&#8217;s undoubtedly Biblical. In part it is because of the doctrine of penal substitution (see my previous posts <a href=\"http:\/\/elizaphanian.blogspot.com\/2006\/02\/notes-on-atonement.html\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/elizaphanian.blogspot.com\/2006\/02\/classic-popular-versions-of.html\">here<\/a>). I have great difficulty with the doctrine of penal substitution, and the theology of divine wrath lying behind it. I find the theology of Julian of Norwich (there is no wrath in God) much more in tune with what I know of Jesus. Two main sources for my objections: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/0521557623\/qid=1147258839\/sr=8-2\/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl\/203-9804293-0097528\">this book<\/a> by a former tutor (and big influence) which shows the diabolical consequences of the doctrine in practical affairs, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/023252517X\/qid=1147258971\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_2_1\/203-9804293-0097528\">this book<\/a> which gives a Girardian take.<\/p>\n<p>Put simply, I think language of God&#8217;s wrath is about our own projections of our inner demons onto Him, rather than reflecting a truth about who God is within Himself. In Him is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In a couple of weeks, we are going to be singing the Stuart Townend song &#8216;In Christ Alone&#8217; at both 9:30 and 11am services. 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