Learning Church on Evangelicalism – list


This will be the ‘central post’ for resources on my Learning Church sequence on evangelicalism. For now, just the mp3 recordings, but there will be notes put up here as well.

1. The nature of an outsider’s perspective (text part one, “My Testimony”)(text part two, “The Authority of Scripture”)
2. The origin and nature of evangelicalism
3. Shibboleth #1: The Bible says
4. Shibboleth #2: Penal Substitution
5. Shibboleth #3: The meaning of ‘born again’
6. Creationism and crisis
7. Some thoughts on our future

Did Jesus know he would be resurrected?

There’s a discussion going on over at Stephen Law’s about the uniqueness of Christ’s sacrifice – Stephen is arguing, I think plausibly, that other people’s sacrifices can be at least comparable to that which Jesus makes. In the comments, however, I’ve raised a different issue, which probably deserves its own home. I’m sceptical of the idea that Jesus knew – in a strong sense of that word – that he would be resurrected. Reasons under the fold.

Like a good conservative evangelical Stephen quotes several proof texts to show that Jesus did in fact know he would be resurrected, including: Mark 14.25, Luke 23:42, Matt 20:19 – and there are a number of others, some even more explicit.

If the discussion is simply about what ‘the plain sense of Scripture’ testifies to, then that’s the end of the discussion, and the fundamentalist and the atheist can continue to make common cause in how to read the Bible. However, I have three grounds for thinking this insufficient:

a) the impact of modern critical scholarship, especially source and redaction criticism. Are these words accurately transcribed or is there some influence (any influence!) from the post-Easter church? In other words, I have no doubt that Jesus predicted his conflict with the authorities in Jerusalem, and his death, but can we, on historical grounds alone, be certain he predicted the resurrection?
b) The emphasis on the word ‘know’. Even if he did predict his resurrection – or something like it – did he know it in an absolutely certain manner, or is he speaking from faith? In other words, even if we take the words as historically accurate – or that there is a core of something historically accurate here – how are we to read them? What’s the tone of voice?
c) It seems to me that if Jesus did have complete and utter confidence in his resurrection (ie the strong sense of the word ‘know’) it undermines some crucial elements of the story. There is no dramatic tension; the story becomes a puppet show; there is no longer anything of real human interest at stake. This is not a problem for some readings (PSA!!) of the story, because there all that matters is that Jesus gets slaughtered. But it’s a problem for me.

As I understand him, Jesus was following the will of the Father, moment to moment. I think he could foresee (in a non-miraculous sense) that he would be killed, and I think he probably hoped – and trusted – that he would be vindicated in some way. But I can’t see any way to reconcile a strong sense of knowing he would be resurrected with a) Gethsemane, and b) the cry of dereliction from the cross. Both of those make complete human sense to me – and, paradoxically, that’s why they are most revealing of the true nature of divinity – but all of this is lost if Jesus had certain knowledge of the resurrection.

I’d be interested to know what other people think.

Giving thanks for the United States

Every so often I will come out with a critical comment about US culture – I’ll be making several tomorrow morning at the Learning Church – but I should put on record that:
a) I really admire the United States in many different ways;
b) I think very seriously about emigrating there – but only after they’ve woken up to Peak Oil;
c) I think the US is going to go through hell for the next fifteen years or so, but it will come out of it on the other side much stronger and more resilient. Whereas some other cultures – like the Middle East – will just get flattened;
d) Todd Beamer exemplifies something for me – what I admire about the culture of the States, and what I despise about my own civilisation.

For more on this, have a read of Neil’s post which I strongly agreed with, and this one.